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user-16e0c3 06 May, 2024, 10:59:02

Hello! Who can I contact with a question about the technical side of the Pupil Invisible EyeTracker glasses device?

user-07e923 06 May, 2024, 11:00:17

Hi @user-680341, this is Wee from the Product Specialist team. I've moved your message to this channel for all things related to Invisible. Free feel to ask your questions here,

user-3c26e4 07 May, 2024, 11:32:00

Hi, please tell me ASAP why can't collaborators login to a workspace, when I invite them? "Acces is denied" all the time. Do they have to register with the Email? In this case they cannot access the workspace I share as well.

user-f43a29 07 May, 2024, 13:47:12

Hi @user-3c26e4 ๐Ÿ‘‹ ! Yes, they need to have a registered Pupil Cloud account first, with the same email address that is used to invite them. Then, they need to go back and click on the link in the invite email again. Depending on how long it has been, they might need a new invite. Has this process already been tried?

user-3c26e4 07 May, 2024, 14:12:51

Hi @user-f43a29 , yes, we still have problems with a few workspaces, but it worked with some of them. I have another question. Could you please advise how the QR codes can be recognised, when they are lit up? I was hoping to solve the problem in dark environment, but they are not recognised by the system. Can I try darkening the video and how? Is there a solution? As you can see the not lit up QRs are found sometimes (green in the left upper corner) but the lit up are not.

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user-f43a29 08 May, 2024, 07:34:30

Marker Mapper will have trouble when the AprilTag markers are illuminated in this way. It works best when the markers are uniformly illuminated, such that the white borders can be clearly seen and there is good contrast with the background. Post-processing the video would not be recommended in this case, as re-uploading the videos to Pupil Cloud is not a supported workflow. Is it possible to change the code of your driving simulator to display the AprilTags on the monitor display? If not, you could give the Reference Image Mapper a try with a test recording, but the scene might need a few more static/stable features.

user-3c26e4 08 May, 2024, 08:53:08

Thank you @user-f43a29 ! What if the lamps are positioned higher than that and at a bigger angle, so that the QR codes are fully lit up from their front? Do you think that might work? Otherwise I have to ensure that it is bright enough in the room, so that the normal QR codes can be clearly seen. I don't think that it will be that easy to display the AprilTags on the monitor display.

user-f43a29 08 May, 2024, 08:57:03

Yes, this is worth a try with a test recording. When the white borders are clearly visible in the scene camera video and are uniformly illuminated (i.e., have roughly the same brightness around the whole border), then you should get better results.

user-3c26e4 08 May, 2024, 09:08:37

Great, I will try it and will let you know. Thanks a lot.

user-61e6c1 10 May, 2024, 11:15:10

Hello! I wanted to ask in which format the eye video is recorded and then saved on the cloud since I could only find informations regarding the scene video for which your description states mp4. Thank you very much!

user-07e923 10 May, 2024, 13:01:48

Hi @user-61e6c1, can I clarify with you if you want access to the eye video data?

Invisible's eye video is only available offline. You'll need to access them using Pupil Player, and enabling the eye video exporter plugin. Exported eye videos are in .mp4 format.

user-61e6c1 13 May, 2024, 06:55:42

Hi @user-07e923 thank you for your message! My question was regarding to a Datamanemant plan I'm actually preparing for our project. I have to declare where and how our data will be stored. For the scene video I think I'm in page. But I didn't really understand how it's working for the eye video. So my question is in which format the eye video gets stored on the cloud?

user-07e923 13 May, 2024, 06:59:48

Ah I see. The eye videos are stored as .mp4 format on the Cloud. This is the same raw data file that you get after recording on the Invisible Companion app.

@user-61e6c1 minor correction: the eye videos are stored as .mp4, not .raw on Pupil Cloud.

user-61e6c1 13 May, 2024, 07:05:46

Thank you so much @user-07e923 but the scene video is stored in mp4, right? And then I've got another question regarding the companion app: As I understood the data gets transferred to the cloud simultaneously as collected, right? So am I suggesting right, that on the companion the data is stored just locally or will it remain there too?

user-07e923 13 May, 2024, 07:07:10

Yes to mp4. And yes, the data is also stored locally on the Companion device until you delete it locally. On Cloud, files that are moved to trashed are deleted automatically 30 days later, but you can also delete them immediately in the trash. We won't be able to recover deleted files from Cloud when it's gone.

user-61e6c1 13 May, 2024, 07:08:49

Ok, now I got it! Thanl you very much for your quick help @user-07e923

user-d407c1 13 May, 2024, 09:26:20

@user-61e6c1 Just to add on top of my colleague response, data is not transferred simultaneously to Cloud but rather uploaded after the fact (assuming internet connection is available).

user-df855f 13 May, 2024, 20:36:46

I there! I am having some problems with the upload to the pupil cloud. i am using the pupil invisible. The phone attached to the pupil states that the upload has been completed, however in the cloud it states that the upload has failed. Now I am able to export the recording via the phone through a USB cable. However, it is now not in the cloud and when I am uploading to pupil player it doesn't show the fixation point. What could be the problem of the uploading error and if it occurs, how can I make sure I still now where the person wearing the glasses is focussing on?

user-07e923 14 May, 2024, 05:41:11

Hi @user-df855f, could you open a ticket in ๐Ÿ›Ÿ troubleshooting? We can proceed from there.

user-61e6c1 14 May, 2024, 13:31:15

Thank you Miguel! But the upload is done nevertheless automatically if connected to the internet?

user-d407c1 14 May, 2024, 13:32:43

Yes, as long as Cloud uploads are enabled in the settings of the app (On by default).

user-3c26e4 14 May, 2024, 15:05:37

Hi, what is the optimal size of the April Tags for monitors, which are approx. 1,30 far from the eyes? 12 cm x 12 cm or more?

user-07e923 15 May, 2024, 08:00:24

Hi @user-3c26e4, there's no recommended size for April Tags. This requires a bit of trial-and-error, as many factors can affect the visibility of the tags, e.g., viewing distance, ambient lighting, the medium (digial/printed) which the tags are presented/displayed.

Ideally, you'd want them to be large enough to be visible and have good contrast. What's also important is that the white border around the tags must be visible for the tags to be reliably detected. See source.

user-75e0ea 16 May, 2024, 11:45:03

Hi, Iยดm using pupil invisible and have a question about Pupil Cloud. I have been invited several times to different workspaces so that I can edit recordings. I have accepted the invitations, but only one workspace is displayed. What could be the problem? Is it only possible to accept one invitation? Whenever I accept the invitation, i get the following message: "Unable to accept invitation This workspace invitation has already been accepted or has expired." i have to join the other workspace to work on the recordings.

user-f43a29 16 May, 2024, 11:54:02

Hi @user-75e0ea , invitiations to muliple workspaces are allowed. To be sure, the email that was invited and the email that you use to log into Pupil Cloud are the same?

user-75e0ea 16 May, 2024, 11:54:28

yes the email is the same

user-f43a29 16 May, 2024, 11:56:06

And when you click on the arrow next to the current workspace name, you only see your personal workspace and the demo workspace in the list?

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user-75e0ea 16 May, 2024, 11:59:03

i can see my personal, the demo and one more. but there should be more than three.

user-f43a29 16 May, 2024, 12:00:19

Ok, how old are the invitations?

user-75e0ea 16 May, 2024, 12:01:36

the last invitation is from tuesday. and i also accepted it right on tuesday

user-f43a29 16 May, 2024, 12:04:36

Ok, are you comfortable with sending an email to info@pupil-labs.com from the same email address that you use to access Pupil Cloud? I would then follow-up with an invitation to a test workspace.

user-75e0ea 16 May, 2024, 12:05:11

ok

user-3c26e4 17 May, 2024, 14:08:03

Hi, I have a major problem, that some of the students cannot see the workspace, though they have already registered and verified the mail. Please tell me ASAP what they have to do, because it has been more than 2 hours now since they can't work.

user-480f4c 17 May, 2024, 14:17:19

Hi @user-7c714e, can you please open a ticket in the ๐Ÿ›Ÿ troubleshooting channel so that we can assist you there in a private chat?

user-870276 19 May, 2024, 23:56:13

how to trim the video on pupil cloud

user-d407c1 20 May, 2024, 20:38:25

Hi @user-870276 ๐Ÿ‘‹ ! Do you mean the visualisation? You can create a video renderer and use the advance settings > temporal selection and use events.

user-870276 20 May, 2024, 20:34:07

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user-2b5543 20 May, 2024, 17:40:26

can we do Reference image mapper with Invisible?

nmt 20 May, 2024, 20:13:45

Hi @user-2b5543. Yes, you can. Check out this section of the docs

user-870276 20 May, 2024, 20:40:31

hey there! i tried that i marked the beginning and end of video and i selected in the temporal selections but its not changing anything

user-870276 20 May, 2024, 20:42:47

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user-d407c1 20 May, 2024, 20:46:09

Well, based on that screenshot, you are using recording.begin and recording.end as the events for start and end, which will essentially take the whole recording. What happens if you select indor.begin as the start? Regarding your other recording.end event, try not to use the same name for the events.

user-870276 20 May, 2024, 20:46:41

i want to know if we can do the same like Pupil core player trimimming the video with the slider bar and exporting and getting the updated CSV files

user-d407c1 20 May, 2024, 20:47:34

Unfortunately, that's not possible, but feel free to request it on๐Ÿ’ก features-requests

user-870276 20 May, 2024, 20:48:09

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user-d407c1 20 May, 2024, 20:57:26

This looks like a bug, could you create a ticket in ๐Ÿ›Ÿ troubleshooting so we can follow up and tackle it? When creating it please add the enrichment ID (which you can obtain by clicking on the three dots above the Settings label (right side).

Meanwhile, I would suggest trying to create a fresh video renderer if you haven't tried it.

user-870276 20 May, 2024, 20:49:02

i tried renaming but its, its not reflecting on the temporal selection to trim the video

user-870276 20 May, 2024, 20:50:17

so you mean we cannot trim the video at go signal manually and export it and get fresh exports ?

user-d407c1 20 May, 2024, 21:01:19

Yes, in Cloud you can not crop the CSV exports. That said, the events.csv contains timestamps which you can use to crop other files. You can see an example of how to do so using python here.

user-ed2612 22 May, 2024, 18:19:58

Hi there, I am having an issue where when I attempt to download my recordings in pupil player format from pupil cloud, only the mp4 file downloads and I am unable to open it in pupil player. And I am able to view gaze positions in the browser, but they do not download with the data. Does anyone know what might be the problem?

user-480f4c 22 May, 2024, 18:26:49

Hi @user-ed2612! Did you select the Pupil Player format download option? This is the folder you need to get from Cloud to be able to load the recording on Pupil Player. Once downloaded, it should be a zip folder. Could you clarify which files do you see when unzipping the folder?

user-ed2612 22 May, 2024, 19:13:00

Hi @user-480f4c , yes I clicked the download pupil player format option. And when the file downloads it just contains a folder with the world.mp4 in it

user-480f4c 22 May, 2024, 19:16:09

Which browser and OS are you using? For unzipping, we recommend 7-zip. Which software are you using for unzipping?

user-ed2612 29 May, 2024, 16:10:53

My apologies for the delay in my response. I was having trouble accessing our account on another browser. My initial errors were using safari. Switching to chrome solved the problem. Thanks for your help!

user-a3c8db 25 May, 2024, 08:37:14

Hello! Has anyone conducted research with videos or films using Pupil Invisible? How, in this case, is enrichment loaded and how to analyze these videos further? Because in the enrichment -> reference image mapper it is possible to load only the image reference, but there is no option to load video reference...

user-f43a29 25 May, 2024, 13:11:42

Hi @user-a3c8db , while it is not possible to upload reference videos to the Reference Image Mapper, you can still use it to conduct research with videos and films. Check out our Alpha Labs article for mapping gaze onto dynamic screen content, which shows how to use the output from the Reference Image Mapper to map gaze onto videos/films. Please also let me know if I misunderstood your question.

user-f43a29 25 May, 2024, 10:53:10

Hi @user-66797d , following up on your question (https://discord.com/channels/285728493612957698/285728493612957698/1243253128862634074), maybe give a different browser a try. It also sounds like your network connection could be unstable, so trying a different network connection is also worth a test. You can visit our speedtest to see if you have a poor connection with our servers.

user-a3c8db 26 May, 2024, 02:18:17

Good evening! I'm sorry to bother you again but I was trying to follow the instruction you send me and I got this mistake "self.tk = _tkinter.create(screenName, baseName, className, interactive, wantobjects, useTk, sync, use) _tkinter.TclError: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable" while downloading pl-dynamic-rim. Have you ever encountered the same mistake? If you can help me, I will be really grateful. Thanks in advance!

user-f43a29 26 May, 2024, 05:49:37

Hi @user-a3c8db , how have you installed Python? What Operating System are you using?

user-a3c8db 26 May, 2024, 09:45:34

I have installed Python from the official site and I'm using Linux, ubuntu.

user-f43a29 27 May, 2024, 07:28:31

Ok. That is a Linux error that typically indicates that the monitor (or an underlying GUI system) cannot be found, but it can also be due to specific configuration choices. Just to confirm, this is not Ubuntu running within Windows Subsystem for Linux? If you are running a dedicated Ubuntu installation, are you running it on a laptop with an Nvidia GPU?

user-5ab4f5 27 May, 2024, 11:25:56

Hi guys, lately i have this problem that while invisible companion shows that i record the scene video and capture eye movements, after ending the recording via my automatized python script, it does not contain any information. The recording seems to be connected to by script (kind of as it stops aftre the expected time) but contains no scene video, no event data. And no data whatsoever. However i dont get a error-message or anything. Not at the software(script) nor hardware. The only thing i did encounter was that the mobile and glasses get incredibly hot at times. Even the mobile sends a message of danger that it is overheating. Howeve rit doesnt happen all the time ( i think. I cant check the recording and app during the experiment i use the glasse sfor al lthe time). I am not sure if its connected at all. Is it a hardware issue?

user-07e923 27 May, 2024, 11:28:04

Hi @user-5ab4f5, could you open a ticket in ๐Ÿ›Ÿ troubleshooting so that we can help you with debugging?

user-5ab4f5 27 May, 2024, 11:26:15

Also it does not happen all the time with the empty recording. Just occasionally.

user-a3c8db 27 May, 2024, 12:46:39

Yes, I'm using Ubuntu 20.04 running within Windows Subsystem for Linux.

user-f43a29 27 May, 2024, 21:47:18

Hi @user-a3c8db , while WSL does have GUI support and GPU "passthrough" and ideally it should support this approach, it is also likely to be causing your issue here.

Can you try running pl-dynamic-rim in a Windows terminal using a Windows copy of Python?

user-cc9ad6 29 May, 2024, 12:37:32

I use 'Reference Image Mapper' to map gaze from video to one image, but after that the timestamp in gaze.csv is changed, could you tell me why? In theory, it should be the same, right?

user-d407c1 29 May, 2024, 13:03:09

Hi @user-cc9ad6 ๐Ÿ‘‹ ! Would you mind clarifying which gaze.csv file are you referring to? Is that the one from the enrichment? If so note that reference image mapper needs to localise the image, using the scene camera which has a 30 fps sampling frequency.

user-cc9ad6 29 May, 2024, 13:34:46

Yes, it is from enrichment. For example, the original gaze.csv (without mapper, from video and not in the enrichment) has 152356 rows, after mapper, the gaze.csv out from the enrichment only include 147964 rows. 4379 rows lost. Could you tell me how the 30 fps sampling cause the 4379 rows lost?

user-d407c1 29 May, 2024, 13:53:36

Hi @user-cc9ad6 ! That should not be the case, could you create a ๐Ÿ›Ÿ troubleshooting ticket, and privately share the gaze.csv files or send them by email to ||data@pupil-labs.com ||, such that we can further investigate it?

user-cc9ad6 29 May, 2024, 16:23:28

Thanks for your reply. As the file is too big, I can't upload it to the private channel. Instead, I send it to the email. Looking forward to your feedback:)

user-d407c1 30 May, 2024, 17:33:12

Hi @user-cc9ad6 ๐Ÿ‘‹ ! I have just looked at your files, the only missing timestamps I could found are those when the reference image was not localised, which is expected. Can you confirm that is the case?

So in a nutshell, the gaze.csv from the reference image mapper would only contain gaze points where the reference image is located, and a boolean value to whether you gazed upon or not.

user-df855f 30 May, 2024, 16:07:26

Hi all! I love the interface at the pupil cloud, the quality of the videos is great and the fixation patterns (the small blue rounds) are very interesting and insightful. I was wondering if it is possible to download the videos as such? As I don't own the pupil cloud myself I have to delete my recordings afterwards but I feel it would be a waste if I can't access these great videos anymore. The quality of pupil player for instance is way less.

user-d407c1 30 May, 2024, 16:57:56

Hi @user-df855f ๐Ÿ‘‹ ! You can download them using the video renderer which would allow you to trim them, plot fixations, or tune the gaze circle color and size.

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